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[sheye]

 I came upon this googling "Hidden Hand" . It is very interesting read , although a bit lengthy. I would deeply appreciate anyone here taking the time to read it and giving me an opinion.

Its basically some guy interviewing this character who calls himself the hidden hand,and claims to be from the bloodlines of lucerferian ancestry.It took place before the actual election date,and he/she does say
that Mcain would not win,and it would be Obamas victory if nothing happened to him. All in the plan of this enlightened "lucerferian"group guiding the world to the great harvest. He/she talks talks about 911,the elite bloodlines,and tons of other stuff....especially lucerferian spirituality.
This is all about the NWO agenda..its spritual roots..and its was creepy to read ,yet very revealing as to what we are up against.

I'm literally begging any of you who has the time to read this to please do so,especially lash and Mr Top secret.



Thankyou to anyone who takes the time to read this and respond..it is very interesting,and corresponds to much of the stuff I have read about the NWO.
  Heres the link

 http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[Mr. TOP SECRET]

Most definitely is a possible sacrifice of some occult practice. Why do you think most nations military of the world have similar uniforms that have the same occult symbols. Rather this has any effect to the so called supernatural forces they are sacrificing too is irrelevant, they believe it to be true and that is all that matters. Humans, souls, consciousness is all energy that these elites of the world try to feed off of and give to there gods. That is why these elite bloodlines have ties to every major world event in some way or another. Keeping us in a constant state of tyranny and agony gets these people off and I am sick of it! 

[sheye]

 Me too MTP...me too (sighs)...sic of a lot of the BS happening.

The sad thing is that it is going to get worse..and unfortunately I've lost my spirit of faith,and am not even sure  a rightous loving God even exists anymore.

Did you read the interview MTS?..if so what did you think about the statement of this "family" preparing for the the "great Harvest"?

By the way MTS..do you have children?

Really regretting that I brought children into this messed up world...yet I'm grateful for the opportunity to have loved them and be loved by them.
(despite the fact that I have messed up and made mistakes,I think they do love me lol)

[Mr. TOP SECRET]

No I don't have any kids, and I have not watched the video. I will try to watch it tomorrow. Well...... I guess tomorrow is here already lol.

not even sure  a rightous loving God even exists anymore.

As to a righteous and loving God.... Mistranslations of the word God is a big debate! When I think of God, I think of our everlasting consciousness and the power that we humans hold within ourselves. We are eternal beings! The Hebrew version of the bible has God listed a plural form which makes much more since. I don't think of a one and only being "God" to be the creator of everything. It makes better since to think of a group of benevolent beings that worked together to create us in there image and after there likeness. Those benevolent beings could also be interpreted as Astronauts from far beyond. Think of ourselves going to Mars and establishing life there which we can do already if we truly wanted to. And to those whom we created, we would be gods to them and we would help them as parents raise there kids. Give them all the morals and values of life. You really need to listen to Michael Tsarions work and it will help put many pieces of the puzzle together, much to much for me to write here in the message.



As to bloodlines, you ever notice all the Queens, Prince's, Presidents, etc... walk on a red carpet to symbolize there bloodline which goes back to Egypt and Mesopotamian. ?

[lashmar]

I'll read it tomorrow, I need to go get the stuff I need for dinner tonight; I came up with the brilliant idea of cooking Kim dinner tonight (it's her birthday)...the only problem is I don't cook, like ever.

I'll have a look at it tomorrow and give you what I think of it.

[lashmar]

I came upon this googling "Hidden Hand" . It is very interesting read , although a bit lengthy. I would deeply appreciate anyone here taking the time to read it and giving me an opinion.

It's easier to read the PDF verson of it by the way people, you can download it and keep coming back to it.

Link to the PDF:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/pdf/DialogueWithHiddenHand-WesPenre.pdf

[lashmar]

I'm about to read the first section of it, I'll be back in a few seconds.

[lashmar]

ATS: If so, how do we become freemen?

HH: You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your
being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really
where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an
understanding, of why you are here [2]. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming
Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.

ATS: Is the Messiah alive today?

HH: There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'.

I enjoyed that passage although it contradicted there main plan a little.

Why would he tell us there is no god if they want to control us through the belief in god? It makes no sense.


This I find very, very interesting:

The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that
the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of
the month.
Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and
foreclosures.

Regardless of what you hear, Hyperinflation is starting to set in in the UK. The pound is losing value, the market is flooded with cheap money, Inflation is 2.9% (when it get's to 3% the Head of the Bank of England has to explain to the Government why it is so high) so as you can tell 29% is very high. That was very, very interesting.

The only way John McCain will become the next US President, will be if something "happens" to
Barack Obama before the election.

While that claim souns impressive it really isn't at all. I could have told you that back then.

Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end
of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some
circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much
earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this
will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and
times that far in advance.

This is also highly interesting if you were to make it a year later. The new Union of Union's could be the EU, the Lisbon treaty basically made us one country in December 2009.

There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as
the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at
times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009
early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels,
leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

I call Bollocks, we'll see who's right though.

[sheye]

  You make some very good points lash..and I agree with you about the election..was definately a no brainer that Obama was going to win,although I wasn't sure about the race between him and Hilary. Didn't look closely at the date of the interview and how it correlated with the election and the primaries.
 Thanks for reading it by the way...I know you spend a lot of time reading and researching and I give you kudos for that.

[lashmar]

I haven't read it all yet love. lol. I'll try and read the next part before I go out tonight and then I'll read the rest of it sunday night when I get back.


Edit: What did you think of it love? Like the points I raise?