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[lashmar]

ATS: You say that you come from 13 origonal blood lines. Yet the dna mapping project clearly proved
that all humanity desends from only 3. Does this mean you arent human?

HH: An excellent question, thank you. Yes, that is correct, in a manner of speaking. If you were to meet me walking down
the street, I would appear just as human as you do. We've been incarnating here with you for generations, yet, our
bloodlines do not originate from this planet.

Maybe someone can answer me this. If he's not from this planet, how comes he looks like us? Is this a case of we came from them or have they just invented something to make them look like us? 

Yahweh (god), due to the fact that he had NOT (as was his right as Planetary Logos) handed down his own Free Will to "know
thyself" to those incarnating upon 'his' planet, was having very little evolutionary progress therein. So we (Lucifer) were
sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders, we "Fell", or Descended back to a place where we
could, with hard work and focus, once again materialize a 3rd Density manifestation of ourself.

That was interesting.

Yahweh (god) has been happy to keep his own little pet Eden Project in effect, but with little chance of the Souls here making it
Home, it had become in effect, an albeit very beautiful 'Prison'. Yahweh was, in modern parlance, running a benign
dictatorship.

Regardless whether this bloke was really telling the truth he came out with some brilliant things. If you're reading this is PDF format (Link was in my post above) go to page 13...it's absolutely fascinating. Either the guy was a complete and utter nut job or he was really who he said he was...I don't think you could make this stuff up and keep it going for so long personally mainly because the bloke would have had to have been at least a little crazy to come up with it, crazy people tend to trip over their own feet when they're lying.

In my mind either he was a bloody good lier or this is real.


Okay on page 14 he basically says that 26,000 years ago was the last `harvest`...I can't remember anything important that happened so is there any myths about what happened then? So basically, from what I understand, in 2012 we're not going to die and the world isn't going to end? 



I'm about to go out but I'll be back sunday night, this is a good link...well done sheye. *hug* I would give you a karma point but Toppy took it away.

[lashmar]

Okay I'm about to read the next section. I'd still like to know what Sheye things about this in more detail.

[lashmar]

I thought this was interesting, I don't know why but I just thought it was:

Then there is the Orion Empire Group. Their purposes in visiting you are more along the Negative
lines. They mainly target the ones you have called "Lightworkers". They try to put them off their
assignments and try to spread fear. They will not actually 'harm' you physically. Mainly their modus
operandi is to restrict you, and deflect you from your path. They often engage in psychic attacks
that the 'Lightworker' is unaware of, but it does often drain away much of their energy, and
make them lack motivation.

I'll be honest...I don't understand all the 3d's 4d's and, well. for fuck sake there was a fucking 7d. I'm not the sharpest when it comes to things like that so I'm 100% lost here...help? 

[sheye]

   hmmmmm....all I can remember right now is the warning in the bible...that Lucifer comes as a bearer of light,a great deceiver of men,a twister of truth,and a thief of the human soul.

I think Hidden Hand is the "soul collective" of antichrist, in a nutshell...but thats me..

(sighs)...My faith was given back to me lash,and someday I might tell you why, and what I have been learning over the years about spiritual warfare....

but that would probably bore the "hell" out ya ..soz..maybe we should skip it for now

[lashmar]

(sighs)...My faith was given back to me lash,and someday I might tell you why, and what I have been learning over the years about spiritual warfare....

but that would probably bore the "hell" out ya ..soz..maybe we should skip it for now

Make a thread about it love.

[sheye]

Okay on page 14 he basically says that 26,000 years ago was the last `harvest`...I can't remember anything important that happened so is there any myths about what happened then? So basically, from what I understand, in 2012 we're not going to die and the world isn't going to end?

lash..the "great flood" comes to my mind??..and that in itself has a lot of "controversial" thoeries?...atlantis?..what they were into at the time, ?? why did God send a flood???

anyhow..there is another link that was on the bottom of that page, about the woman svali..who escaped one of these"bloodline" houses ,so to speak,a victim of MK herself(that's how they trained you ),and an administerer of it as well...I will add that link below.

http://illuminati-news.com/wes072906.htm

you'll find this interesting as well ^^...lash..and others.

I think you have other links on Svali..if not I will get them for you..I'm sure I posted some here at some point.

[Day_Tripper]

I finally read the whole thing, very interesting.

It is interesting to note that the Jewish understanding of Lucifer is very different than the Christian idea.  They see him not so much as "evil" but more of a prosecuting attorney.  He is there to tempt you and then take you to judgment for all you're crimes, sins.

He didn't seem to give any bad advice.  Meditate, listen to you're own heart, get in touch with who you really are, realize the Buddha in all, we are all One, etc.  That sounds like what many others say.

When he spoke of a sacrifice, it sounded more of a sacrifice like in chess.  You sacrifice a few pieces to gain a better position, which they did so they could invade Iraq.  It also sounded like since this is just a game, and nobody really dies, it isn't any harder to kill people in this experience than killing someone in a video game.  In the end, you know they're not really getting hurt.

He also mentioned the idea that thoughts create this world.  I've actually played with this concept before and found it to be true in my experience.  I have brought both good and bad into my life.  I have to say, be careful what you wish for.

There saying in Zoroastrianism, "Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds".  That was what I was hearing from him.

Anyway, why not take a few minutes out of your day and see the beauty of the world?  Listen to the song of birds, smell flowers, soak up a sun ray.  Why not see positive traits in others and complement them on those?  Why not imagine a peaceful world with beauty all around?  Pretend you live in the world you'd like to live in.  It used to be called day dreaming, but what is wrong with that?

[Regnad]

Anyway, why not take a few minutes out of your day and see the beauty of the world?  Listen to the song of birds, smell flowers, soak up a sun ray.  Why not see positive traits in others and complement them on those?  Why not imagine a peaceful world with beauty all around?  Pretend you live in the world you'd like to live in.  It used to be called day dreaming, but what is wrong with that?

                                                                                                                                                                         There`s nothing wrong with that D.T. good call........     I live by that exact meaning, there`s day`s I come home and just take a walk to the back of my property along the creek and just set and forget the day I just had.....   If I didn`t I would probably pop some day`s, it`s hard to put up with all we go through some time`s........  We are slave`s to work and very little play, so take the play every chance you get........          

[sheye]

I finally read the whole thing, very interesting.

It is interesting to note that the Jewish understanding of Lucifer is very different than the Christian idea.  They see him not so much as "evil" but more of a prosecuting attorney.  He is there to tempt you and then take you to judgment for all you're crimes, sins.

He didn't seem to give any bad advice.  Meditate, listen to you're own heart, get in touch with who you really are, realize the Buddha in all, we are all One, etc.  That sounds like what many others say.

When he spoke of a sacrifice, it sounded more of a sacrifice like in chess.  You sacrifice a few pieces to gain a better position, which they did so they could invade Iraq.  It also sounded like since this is just a game, and nobody really dies, it isn't any harder to kill people in this experience than killing someone in a video game.  In the end, you know they're not really getting hurt.

He also mentioned the idea that thoughts create this world.  I've actually played with this concept before and found it to be true in my experience.  I have brought both good and bad into my life.  I have to say, be careful what you wish for.

There saying in Zoroastrianism, "Good thoughts, Good words, Good deeds".  That was what I was hearing from him.

Anyway, why not take a few minutes out of your day and see the beauty of the world?  Listen to the song of birds, smell flowers, soak up a sun ray.  Why not see positive traits in others and complement them on those?  Why not imagine a peaceful world with beauty all around?  Pretend you live in the world you'd like to live in.  It used to be called day dreaming, but what is wrong with that?

Can we agree to disagree respectfully?

Because I choose to disagree...?

may I..without fear of repurcussion???

[Day_Tripper]

Can we agree to disagree respectfully?

You're asking my "permission" to disagree with me???

You don't NEED my "permission" to disagree with me and think for yourself.  This ain't the BV, I don't call people names because they have other opinions.  The last I looked it was your God given right to disagree with others and speak your point.  Hell, if there weren't other opinions the world would be very very boring!

I understand that you and I have different paradigms of the world.  You live in the Christian model and I don't.  I believe in God, but I'm not Christian.  The Asian philosophies work better for me.  Some of the things said by this helping_hand rang true for me.  In my own questioning of "life, the universe, and everything", I've come to the conclusion that if I were an Omnipotent Deity, it would get pretty boring.  So, I'd probably create a game.  But, games are no fun if nobody lost.  So, that is what this place is, a part of the game.  We each chose to come here for what ever reason.  We're all aspects of God.  We can never die.

If we're all an aspect of God, if we're all part of the One, the Whole, then there really is no good and no bad.  Those are subjective interpretations that must be observed and interpreted by an individual.  There is no coming, no going, no birth, no death.  There is only thought, "action" and consequence.  This is what Buddhism teaches.  You know the old one, "if a tree fell in the forest...".