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[Mr. TOP SECRET]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ffU10DcN0M" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ffU10DcN0M</a>

Communication consultant Audrey Nelson chastises the working women she sees wearing "postage-stamp sized skirts" and baring cleavage in professional environments. "Nothing will erode your credibility quicker," she warns.

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In a women's leadership event co-sponsored by the Lokey Graduate School of Business and the Financial Women's Association of San Francisco, Audrey Nelson discusses her coauthored book, Code Switching: How to Talk So Men Will Listen.

Dr. Nelson defines code switching as the ability to use your knowledge of two or more cultures or languages and switch between them, depending on the situation, to communicate. "Rather than telling women to be more like men - a recipe for failure - Code Switching offers a way of reaching across the aisle to open the lines of communication," says Dr. Nelson.

"It helps both women and men speak in common terms so work gets done, conflict gets resolved, and mutual understanding and respect prevail...in the workplace and beyond." - Mills College

Audrey Nelson, PhD, is an internationally recognized communication consultant, seminar leader, and keynote speaker for a wide range of Fortune 50 companies and government agencies. Dr. Nelson's professional background includes 10 years teaching in the Department of Communication at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and 30 years as a consultant and trainer for a wide variety of government and Fortune 50 companies. Among them are Price Waterhouse, Cargill, AT&T, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Upjohn Pharmaceuticals, Pentax, the U.S. Marine Corps, the U.S. Forest Service, and the U.S. Department of Justice. She holds a BA, an MA, and a PhD in communication.

[lashmar]

"how many times do men think about sex in a day? They already see us as sex objects..."

Yet more Anti-men propaganda. Men don't see women as `sex objects` you dumb slut...grow a fucking brain and fuck off.    This is something that really annoys me so this is goign to be the mother of all rants.

I actually know a woman like this and I hate her...I'll be honest I treat her like shit and everyone knows it. The first opportunity I get to embarrass her I'm there with my jokes waiting. The best moment I've had in my life was when I brought her to tears after teasing her for four or five hours. I hate women like her and I go out of my way to treat them as badly as they say we treat them just to prove my point that we don't treat them anywhere near as badly as we treat them.

I whistle or click my fingers when I want her attention, tell her to come her here and when she does I tell her "good girl" in the most patronising way you can think of, I talk down to her all the time...but nothing pisses her off quicker, or better, than commenting on her tits, that's just fun because she either gets really angry or she gets really shy. lol. The thing that gets her though are the consent little jabs and quick remarks at her and then the way I am towards the other women in the group, which is completely different. I'm not proud of the way I treat her because I only do it to prove my point.

I don't have anything against her other than her ridiculous views towards men. I've posted loads of stuff about the way the government are making it okay to discriminate against men and I've posted a lot of stuff about Harriet Harman, god I hate that woman, and the way she acts towards men.

What a fine world these women live in. In their world they want women to be more and more like men, the women that aren't they pressure into line or they make them feel like sluts...god forbid if a good looking woman who doesn't dress like a man gets anywhere, it must surely mean that she dressed like a whore and got promoted because of it.

Wear what you want to wear. If you're so insecure about what others think about you to the extent you cover your body up then you shouldn't be working anyway. If you're sooo insecure that you think others will think less of you because you wear a skirt that's a few inches above the knee then you need to get your head checked out because you must seriously lack self-confidence. Yes their will be some men that think less of your professional ability but so what? That's life and if you can't handle it that's your problem not mine.

There are women so insecure about themselves that they make a fucking job for themselves telling other women to be as insecure as themselves. It's something that really, really annoys me because these women think it's wrong for them to be discriminated against but they're more than happy to discriminate against men.

Men in this country get three weeks maternity leave! I think that is disgraceful given that women can take 52 weeks (a year) off and they want to begrudge us having three months off!  The amazing thing is these women who begrudge men having three months off are feminist and they're so fucking stupid that they actually think, and they tell us all the fucking time, that the first few hours of a babies life is when the bond is made between the mother and the baby...let me tell you this, a new born baby responds more to the call of a fucking screamer monkey than they do the voice of it's own mother, it is amazing that they can keep pushing there shit out when there is no real research backing them up. It may mean a lot for the mother but for the baby those first few hours means fuck all.

It really pisses me off because all I hear is how women are disadvantaged, how coloured people are disadvantaged, how poor people are disadvantaged...how every fucker and his mother is disadvantaged but what they never fucking mention is how the government are brining in laws to legally discriminate and disadvantage the middle and upper-class white man. You see the reference to it all the time, Labour picks on the Tories Shadow Cabinet all the time because only one of them went to a State-School! So what? Who cares? The Tories have money, they are rich so why shouldn't they be able to send their kids to the best schools?


I think, personally, we should have a "treat the feminist as they think they're treated day" just to show them how wrong they are. Or even better...lets treat them how they treat us. Lets take away their maternity leave and give them three weeks like the men have, lets disadvantage them and give their jobs to Muslims or people who shouldn't even be in this country, lets tell them they can't send their kids to a good school because they'll be taking up room for the much more important Muslims and poor people.

The simple fact is their is nobody in the country discriminated against more than the white-middle-to-upper-class men because nobody else has laws set by the government making it legal to discriminant against them.

I like women, a lot, and I like to see cleavage but it doesn't make me think of them as sex objects to use whenever I want.

[Mr. TOP SECRET]

I know what you mean Lash. I thought you would like this one. 

[lashmar]

I thought that's why you posted it.

Do you agree with me though? do you ahve anything to add?

[Mr. TOP SECRET]

You might not see them as sex objects, but many men do. I don't think there should be any law for no reasons. We all know there are to many laws as it is, but if a business wants to have a dress code, they have all the right to do so.

[lashmar]

Do you see them as sex objects? I honestly don't see any woman as a sex object and I don't see anyone as mine either (they have to work for that honour). I can honestly, honestly say I have never seen nor treated any woman as an object of sexual pleasure. I may treat feminists like shit most of the time, they asked for it, but I don't treat the rest of them in any way other than as people who deserve to be respected. I think it's complete bollocks that most, many or even some men treat or think of women like that, I think it is a very small amout of men who think that way.



I agree with you about the dress code, maybe this is a good bit for your podcast tomorrow.

[Mr. TOP SECRET]

No I don't see them as a sex object, but there are tons of perverted guys out there. I use to be one of them when I was younger, just joking around of course. But many guys don't grow out of that adolescent stage.

You are right, I might mention this tomorrow. 

[lashmar]

There's a difference between joking about and actually seeing them as that. If you count joking about then, fuck it, I'm screwed. I joke about seeing women as such but I don't mean it at all and they know that.

[Mr. TOP SECRET]

Its about what you believe in your heart. You know if you are thinking of a women a certain way. You can look at a women anyway you want. That does not neccesarily make you a bad person depending on the graphic nature in which you are thinking. No matter what, no one has the right to judge anyone else for there actions. You are your own-self to judge.

[lashmar]

Here's some stuff about the positive discrimination I was talking about:

The Metropolitan Police has been considering positive discrimination as a way of speeding up the recruitment of black and Asian officers...In 2002-03, 9.8% of recruits were from ethnic minorities, but by 2009 this must be 25.9% under government targets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3634085.stm

The Chief Constable of Avon Somerset Police says he now believes a "positive discrimination" recruitment policy may have been illegal...The force's campaign to recruit people from ethnic minorities prompted accusations of discrimination against 186 white male applicants.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4781804.stm

The bill also contains some provision for positive discrimination in recruitment and promotion. An employer will be able to take a protected characteristic into account when deciding who to recruit or promote, where people having the protected characteristic are at a disadvantage or are under-represented. This can only be done where the candidates are equally qualified. The clause does not allow employers to have a policy, of treating people who have a protected characteristic more favourably than others, in other circumstances.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8411725.stm

The president of the National Black Police Association has called for positive discrimination to boost the number of black and Asian officers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7695470.stm

I'm sorry but positive discrimination sounds like the system they have in South Africa, it's a joke that they think it's a good idea and it's a joke that they are carrying on with it.