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[Mr. TOP SECRET]

By BBC U.K.

Men seen as likely to be violent towards their wives could be forced to wear an electronic tag under a law being debated by the French parliament.

The tag would have to be worn by men who have received a court order to stay away from their partner.

The proposal is part of a draft law on conjugal violence. It has cross-party support and is expected to pass easily.

According to the government, around 160 women in France are murdered by their husbands or partners every year.

Parliament is also considering outlawing psychological violence in the home, because it is seen by many as a precursor to physical violence.

It is rare for the left and the right in France to agree on anything, says the BBC's Hugh Schofield, so the near unanimity in parliament behind this law comes as something of a novelty.

Everyone agrees that domestic violence is bad and getting worse.

Professionals nervous

According to the government's figures, three women are being killed by their partners every week - not including many who are driven to suicide.

According to the proposed measures, men who have received court orders to stay away from their partners will wear an electronic bracelet and if they break the order and approach, police are alerted.

Another key clause has caused rather more argument - at least outside parliament, says our correspondent.

This is the creation of a new crime of psychological violence inside the home.

The bills' supporters say it is important to recognise that actual violence against women is always preceded by psychological bullying, and that this too needs to be outlawed.

But many lawyers and professionals in the field are nervous, our correspondent says.

They say it will impossible to say at what point verbal abuse - for instance in an argument - suddenly becomes a criminal offence.

Critics argue the psychological violence clause is unlikely to make any practical improvement to the lives of women who suffer domestic violence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8537591.stm

[Day_Tripper]

The reason why it's getting bad is due to immigrants.  It is culturally 'normal' in Pakistan and India to kill their wives.  This is a cultural thing, not religious, and obviously not good.  The men do it in South/Central America as well.

Wife murder is a cultural thing, not religious.  I have to emphasize this for others who may be unaware.

[lashmar]

What about violent women who beat up their husband? Are they going to have to wear the same tags...I didn't think so.

I hate abuse but this is just too far yet again.

[Day_Tripper]

What about violent women who beat up their husband? Are they going to have to wear the same tags...I didn't think so.

I hate abuse but this is just too far yet again.

Dude, brb, I chose more vodka

[Day_Tripper]

What about violent women who beat up their husband? Are they going to have to wear the same tags...I didn't think so.

I hate abuse but this is just too far yet again.

TAGS???  WTF?

Most females who abuse their men aren't reported.  Men tend to be embarrassed that a "girl beat them up", etc.

FUCKING FIGHT THIS SHIT!  We need you Brits to fight this before it comes over here!

BTW, I decided on more vodka.  Morning Lashy .

[Day_Tripper]

You know what?  This just pisses me off!  I have to find another article now!

[lashmar]

Most females who abuse their men aren't reported.  Men tend to be embarrassed that a "girl beat them up", etc.

FUCKING FIGHT THIS SHIT!  We need you Brits to fight this before it comes over here!

BTW, I decided on more vodka.  Morning Lashy .

How on earth is a man meant to tell anyone that his wife hits him? The woman is in a win-win situation because she knows he can't touch her.

Good morning my dear.

[Day_Tripper]

Morning.

It's very late for me, so forgive me for my typing

And I love my vodka Luke

[sheye]

lash wrote:

How on earth is a man meant to tell anyone that his wife hits him? The woman is in a win-win situation because she knows he can't touch her.

Good morning my dear.

This is really sad ^^yet so true lash.
I think any form of domination through fear,and power games,issues of control,who is "boss" type situations,ar full of pain and hurt from the "abuse" of someone else's free will.

Women can be just as cruel in mind games,power and guilt situations,
they are capable of abusing a mans trust,and heartfelt sincerity....without even getting to the violence..they can do to other women as well.

Then  again, I'm sure there are some men out there, who don't mind that their women sometimes get so passionately out of control, that they start flailing and crying like a young child...some men are very good at wrapping their arms around these women, taking the hits,and offering the forgiveness ,and solutions to resolve the situation.
Other times it's definitely an abusive situation,that they need to resolve quickly and leave.


Trust me lash I see it work both ways,in the "abuse" definition, and its wrong either way,whether its physically ,emotionally,or mentally.

But true love, does its best to resolve what it can, I suppose.

[lashmar]

Trust me lash I see it work both ways,in the "abuse" definition, and its wrong either way,whether its physically ,emotionally,or mentally.

Especially mental abuse. Physical abuse is bad but your body can heal; I don't think you can ever heal mental abuse, especially if it was something that happened over a long time, because you hear it all the time "take each day as it comes" or "I have my ups and downs"...they're the same things addicts come up with and the reason is addicts are always addicts and nothing is going to change that. Mental abuse is lasting, once it's there there isn't any way to fix it, you just have to patch it up as best you can and try to stop it hurting.