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[lashmar]

I'm starting to get rather frustrated at people. I heard a number of conversations this weekend that went something like this: "well that wont get any funding now the Conservatives are in power". People seem to think that the spending cuts are entirely the Tories fault and it's starting to annoy me. I'm not a Tory but it's annoying that people seem to think it's there fault we're having to cut so much government spending. This is probably the same story all over Europe and I want to prove to people that it's not their government's fault because they have no control.

This is Article 121 of the Lisbon treaty, page 97 in the link below:

1. Member States shall regard their economic policies as a matter of common concern and shall coordinate them within the Council, in accordance with the provisions of Article 98.
X 2. The Council shall, on a recommendation from the Commission, formulate a draft for the broad guidelines of the economic policies of the Member States and of the Union, and shall report its findings to the European Council.
The European Council shall, acting on the basis of the report from the Council, discuss a conclusion on the broad guidelines of the economic policies of the Member States and of the Union.
On the basis of this conclusion, the Council shall, acting by a qualified majority, adopt a recommendation setting out these broad guidelines. The Council shall inform the European Parliament of its recommendation.
3. In order to ensure closer coordination of economic policies and sustained convergence of the economic performances of the Member States, the Council shall, on the basis of reports submitted by the Commission, monitor economic developments in each of the Member States and in the Union as well as the consistency of economic policies with the broad guidelines referred to in paragraph 2, and regularly carry out an overall assessment.For the purpose of this multilateral surveillance, Member States shall forward information to the Commission about important measures taken by them in the field of their economic policy and such other information as they deem necessary.
4. Where it is established, under the procedure referred to in paragraph 3, that the economic policies of a Member State are not consistent with the broad guidelines referred to in paragraph 2 or that they risk jeopardising the proper functioning of economic and monetary Union, the Commission may address a warning to the Member State concerned. The Council, on a recommendation from the Commission, may address the necessary recommendations to the Member State concerned. The Council may, on a proposal from the Commission, decide to make its recommendations public.
Within the scope of this paragraph, the Council shall act without taking into account the vote of the member of the Council representing the Member State concerned.
A qualified majority of the other members of the Council shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(a).
5. The President of the Council and the Commission shall report to the European Parliament on the results of multilateral surveillance. The President of the Council may be invited to appear before the competent committee of the European Parliament if the Council has made its recommendations public.
X** 6. The European Parliament and the Council, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, may adopt detailed rules for the multilateral surveillance procedure referred to in paragraphs 3 and 4.

That is what the European Council, all the Prime Ministers in the EU, is using against Greece. Greece no longer control there economy because they have to follow the "recommendations" given to them other wise they get hit with a penalty. The Greek government has it's hands tied; they can't do what's best for Greece because they're bound to the Common Currency (the Euro) and they have no control over it, they can't decided what their own tax money is spent on because the Council has made it's "recommendations" and they have to follow them.

There are a number of countries that could be in Greece's situation very soon. If the Council were to stick to it's own rules most of Europe would already be ran this way because under "guild lines" set in 1993 (when the EEC changed to the EU) it said Member States were to keep there deficit to under 3% and most of Europe has a government Deficit of 5% I think. Technically Europe should be ran by the Councils "recommendations" now.

http://en.euabc.com/upload/books/lisbon-treaty-3edition.pdf

This is some of the latest crap coming from the EU:

At a summit on Thursday, the European Commission will push for financial harmonisation, including the pre-vetting of national budgets, a ban on short-selling and the apparatus of fiscal federalism. David Cameron, who wants to focus on bringing down the deficit in Britain, would gladly do without the distraction of a Euro-row. But the EU is disinclined to give him that option.

"pre-vetting" the national Budget??? Who said they could ever have that power? This isn't what people originally voted for when we were given the chance. It is so annoying that people constantly bitch and whine but they don't know the real facts about things...the governments of Europe have no real control anymore, once you take control of a nations economy you have, basically, taken control of the county.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/danielhannan/7823638/David-Cameron-doesnt-want-a-row-but-the-EU-wont-give-him-any-option.html

[Day_Tripper]

Go back to the barter system and show the banksters they're irrelevant.

This is kinda where I've been lately.  However, large bartering communities in the US are illegal and get people thrown into prison.  We are forced to use an un-Constitutional currency.  It's always the goddamned banksters who profit from theft and murder!

Ugh, I feel a rant coming on.   I get your frustration Lashy.  I'm frustrated on this side of the pond as well.

However, I have seen more and more people TALKING!    People are ripe to learn information.  The other day I took a cab to a bar.  Driving the cab was a Norwegian immigrant.  I talked to him about the Constitution and Bill of Rights.  We totally agreed about how great it was, etc.  We disagreed on Israel, but it doesn't matter, because we each have free speech.  In the bar I talked with a stranger, whom I've never seen there before.  We were in agreement about the problems of this country and the Constitution.  It seems that every time I go to a bar, people are willing to talk and ask questions, from talking about Monsanto to Obummer's birth cert, to the Constitution...I've NEVER experienced this before.  It gives me hope.

Remember, the Constitution and Bill of Rights come from, in part, the Magna Carta.  When is the last time you read the Magna Carta?  Maybe that is something you can talk with other Brits about and possibly hand out copies of.  It is outside of this conservative/liberal bs.

I believe that the Bill of Rights are given to us when we're born, not "allowed" by government.  Therefore, that applies to EVERY HUMAN in EVERY COUNTRY.  The people of each country need to explain to their servants their rights and how willing they are to fight for them.

[lashmar]

My mind is in a complete tailspin right now and I can't work out what to do, it's partly because of what I've said on this thread and partly other things. I'm taking a few days off to get my shit together so I'll post this now and reply to you (DT) when I get back.  I wont be gone for too long.

Returning to Brussels after a short break to recover from a plane crash, the Party's chief spokesman revealed that between last June and the end of May this year, EU officials had pushed through 1355 regulations, 167 directives, and 1234 other pieces of legislation and legislative instruments, almost none of which passed through the European Parliament.

http://ukip.org/content/latest-news/1705-uk-awash-in-eu-legislation

[lashmar]

It seems my mind can't resist getting battered. lol.

EU officials now talk of a "peer review" of the assumptions underlying a budget. And in the draft summit document it mentions EU member states presenting their budgetary plans to the Commission each spring, "taking account of national budgetary procedures". There may be enough wriggle room here for the British to avoid a clash.

I'm sure that's how the USSR was ran yes? Does anyone have a book on the political workings of the USSR because I'm sure that's how they used to do it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/

Edit: It is outrageous for the EU to demand to have sight of the UK budget ahead of Parliament and the British people...rant over.  This fits brilliantly, wait until it get's to the 0:30 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fcN3VaXs4

[Day_Tripper]

No human is born with unalienable rights granted by the creators(mom and dad)LOL.

Really?

You're obviously not from the US are you?  Either that or you're brainwashed.  That is a very un-American statement.

The Constitution of the US combined with the Declaration of Independence explain what these unalienable rights are.  But, these rights aren't limited to those stated.  Those which are stated in the Bill of Rights are explicit and we are born with them, regardless if you're a Theist, Polytheist, or Atheist.

If you do reside in the US, might I suggest you leave and move to a more appropriate country that reflects your beliefs, such as Cuba or China.

[Day_Tripper]

Are you trying to bring the quality of posts here down to the level of the BV, and the reason so many people have left it?

Thanks for the insult.

I WIN! 

[Day_Tripper]

Oh great.  I get my very own pet troll on this vacation forum.

[lashmar]

Oh great.  I get my very own pet troll on this vacation forum.

Don't feed it.