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[lashmar]

I'm on a roll tonight. lol. DT posted a video about the Love Police and they came up with some interesting things I didn't know. Here are the videos:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bfmW3iMqk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bfmW3iMqk</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLL5VOpOSjQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLL5VOpOSjQ</a>

In that video they chalange (rightfully so) that the police aren't allowed to stop and search you just because they feel like it. That is also quite the opposite of what the Met Police said, which is below:

Be patient

The police are aware that being searched is an inconvenience, and that you’re probably in a hurry to get where you're going. They should make the search as brief as possible. But in the interest of public safety they must also be thorough.

Be calm
Remember, you are not under arrest.
Don't refuse to be stopped or/and searched.
The process is not voluntary - the law gives police the authority to stop and search.
Officers do not need your permission to go through your belongings - if you refuse, you can be searched by force.
Try to stay calm and don’t be afraid to speak to the officer if you think your rights are being infringed.

http://www.met.police.uk/stopandsearch/what_is.htm

What Charlie mentioned in those videos that I didn't know about is that you're able to tell the police not to touch you because you're a British Citizen. I didn't know that but I'm going to watch more of his videos to see if he actually tells us under which law that is, if I can't find it I'm going to read through his site and then E-mail him my question.

http://www.cveitch.org/

[Day_Tripper]

Nice!

Remember, "I am a sovereign over my human body and I do NOT consent to a search".

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

To detain a person is ILLEGAL!  The Bill of Rights comes to us from God, not government.  That means it applies to ALL Humans.  It also comes from English law and Roman law before that.  Rome is also where we discovered a Republic. (btw, the homeland (in)security act is also Illegal for violation of this Forth Amendment)

This guy was arrested at the G20 this year in Canada.  He also has something planned for 9/11 this year.  He thought about coming to New York, but after his experience in Canada, for not providing ID, he feels safer in England than in North America.

Lashy, if you get a chance to check him out, do it and report back.  I hear your rock ain't as big as ours.   So, it shouldn't be that hard to get to London for you...maybe?

[lashmar]

This is what I just sent him:

Hey guys

I was sent your "How to Escape a Terror Stop" video the other day by my friend, I've since sat up until 3am for the last three nights watching most of the videos you have on youtube lol, and it prompted me to do some research.
This is what I found on the Met Police website when I was looking into the Stop and Search law (link to it is at the bottom):

"The search is not voluntary. If you do not cooperate the officer can use reasonable force to conduct the search."

Its completely wrong by my understands, it also sounds very much like something out of 1984 which is worrying. I'm going to E-mail them telling them they're giving completely false information but I'd like to have some proof to back me up as well.
In that video the copper tells Charlie "You know we have the power to search you", Charlie stops them by asking them not to touch him.
My understanding of the law is they can only search you if you're under arrest, am I correct?
Also when Charlie stopped them from searching him by asking them not to touch him it sounded as if he was going to tell them under which law they have to accept his request not to touch him. Where is that law found?

I'm getting together some (ten or so) basic lies we're being told by the government and I'm hoping to make them into some sort of leaflet to give out to my friends and random people I talk to and I think this lie told by the Met Police and the proof that it's a lie would fit brilliantly into the leaflets.

Hope to hear from you soon

Lash


The link for what they said by the way:

http://www.met.police.uk/stopandsearch/what_is.htm#whatshould

[Day_Tripper]

Nice!

I hope he gets a chance to get back to you.  I can only imagine how many people email him daily.  Hell, I rarely check my emails anymore.

So, are you getting into the Love police now? 

I am, I'd call myself a groupie of the love police.

[lashmar]

Yes I am. I hope he does get back but, as you said, they must get loads of E-mails everyday so I'm not holding out much hope.

[Regnad]

Guilty until proven giulty......     The beating`s will continue until the moral improves......
Atleast thats how I feel about it. Seem`s like they do what they want when the want, weather you like it or not...... 
They fabricate the law`s to fit there need`s........            

[lashmar]

Right...I'm pissed off today so I'm going to take it out on the Met and my MP. lol. Back in a minuet.

[lashmar]

Right, this is what I sent the Met Police:

Dear Sir, Madam

On the information page about the Stop and Search Law there is a huge error. Under "How should I react" there is this:

"Remember, you are not under arrest.
Don't refuse to be stopped or/and searched.
The process is not voluntary - the law gives police the authority to stop and search.
Officers do not need your permission to go through your belongings - if you refuse, you can be searched by force.
Try to stay calm and don’t be afraid to speak to the officer if you think your rights are being infringed."

You say "you are not under arrest" but at the same time you say you can be searched by force which is wrong. You cannot be searched by force or any other means, nor do you have to give any details if you are not being arrested for committing a crime. Under Section 43 it very clearly says you can only be searched under arrest under the terms of Section 41 but on the website page it misleads people into thinking they can be searched at anytime, which is incorrect.

It is both misleading and a lie, both of which I believe to be deliberate, in it's current form, could you please clarify on the website page that you do actually have to be arrested under Section 41 before you can be searched by a Constable.

Thank you

[lashmar]

Bloody hell he got back quickly. lol.

Dear Mr Lashmar,
 
Thank you for your e-mail. Contrary to what you say, police do have a power to search and use force in certain cases and it is not necessary to arrest. The Police & Criminal Evidence Act Codes of Practice detail the principles governing all relevant stop and search powers. These can be accessed via the Home Office website.  The relevant section relating to use of force is paragraph 3.2 which I have copied below. Paragraph 2.8 details police powers under s43 which does NOT require a person to be arrested in order for a search to take place under this power.
 
Ted Henderson
 
Para 3.2 The co-operation of the person to be searched must be sought in every case, even if the person initially objects to the search. A forcible search may be made only if it has been established that the person is unwilling to co-operate or resists. Reasonable force may be used as a last resort if necessary to conduct a search or to detain a person or vehicle for the purposes of a search.

I need to think of a come back now. lol.